I’ve done some outstandingly foolish things in my time, and am no doubt headed for many more, but this post is about Foolish Other People.
If I could give just one piece of Advice to anyone entering science grad school, it would be: Find an advisor you get along with, both intellectually and emotionally. It does not matter so much whether the topic of research in their lab is exactly what you’ve always dreamed of studying. If you can find an advisor who works on stuff you love plus you get along well, mazel tov. If you’re torn between Supercool Stuff and Terrific Person, choose Terrific Person every time.
What does this have to do with Fools? That they hear this Advice and think, “Yeah, that’s good advice…for people who are going to rely on their PI. Fortunately, I am smarter-n-shit and will do just fine in Supercool Lab.”
These people, many of whom are as book-smart as it gets, are the Fools. (And not Fools in a good, speaks-the-truth-to-King-Lear kind of way).
Recently two students from my grad program have left, or debated leaving, their Cool Stuff Labs. Both of them have spent 2+ years being miserable in their chosen labs. When these students were first years, I gave them the Advice. One of them was angry at me for denigrating the labs she had rotated in (to be fair, I may not have been totally tactful about it); the other clearly thought that this Advice was intended for stupid people.
So now I hear they’re unhappy, and considering switching labs late in the game. I feel sorry for them. I used to feel just awful about situations like this, and I would wring my hands and talk about the state of advising in our grad program, and how the students and faculty should work harder to keep people on track. And I still think we should, because these are terrific, hard-working, thoughtful scientists-in-training, and it’s a loss to all of us if they end up so miserable that they leave science altogether.
But I’ve also gotten a bit more philosophical about it. These people did get some good advice. I know, ‘cuz I gave it to them. And I wasn’t the only one.
Now, neither of these people, nor the many others I know who have made the same mistake, are actually terrible fools. They may have been guilty of hubris, or more likely just inexperience. (Often one and the same, no?) What I don’t know is whether that mistake was indicative of a significant flaw in judgment that would keep them from succeeding no matter what, or whether those people would have been happy and productive in another, more sympathetic lab.
I am inclined to think they would have succeeded in another lab, although I do suspect they needed to get this sort of mistake out of their systems. Most of all, I wish that they had taken more time between college and grad school--both to mature as scientists and to have a chance to make some mistakes before they arrived here and made such a big one. Because the essence of a foolish mistake is that it is one that could have been prevented.*
*For example, by taking my Advice.
scientiae-carnival
15 years ago
6 comments:
These people are everywhere. I was in charge of recruiting at my grad school for a number of years, and I always gave this advice. Few believed me. One recruit told me that my advice only applied to women (not to him), because men are objective and not heavily affected by *personal interactions*. Unfortunately, he didn't come to my school, so I don't know if he ever realized his foolishness.
One of my grad school classmates decided to join a lab even though she'd been warned about the lab by former lab members. She ended up being miserable for several years and then switching labs and starting over. Some people just believe that it won't happen to them, or that they're tough enough to handle it.
I've tagged you for a meme! :-)
I think the problem is in determining what makes a good mentor.
I had problems in my first lab, which was (perhaps) choosen too much for Cool Stuff and not Terrific Person... so then I went and talked to Terrific Person who could Give Advice (much like you!) who steered me toward professors she assumed were also Terrific People. I joined one of those labs, despite having little talent for that subject. Well Terrific Person very politely dumped me like a bowl of moldy tofu after about a year of me not being enough like he thought I should and both of us having trouble communicating.
We all want a lab with Terrific Person and Cool Stuff. I agree that if you have to pick, you should go with Terrific Person... but most PIs turn out to be not so Terrific.
Alas.
I definitely agree with the Advice. It's turned out to be the best piece of advice that I ever took. And I agree with Mad Hatter that most people believe that it won't happen to them, they're tough enough to handle it, or that it can be overcome through sheer brilliance.
My graduate advisor had a bad reputation and people warned me off of her. But I trusted my judgment and joined her lab, and it wound up working out well for both of us.
In hindsight, a sociopathic grad student in the lab (one of those people who is superficially charismatic and credible, but completely unbalanced) had put far more effort into poisoning her reputation than he ever put into working. Also, she had matured as a PI and didn't make many of the mistakes that she had with earlier students.
That said, I definitely know a lot of the people you describe who burned themselves badly. For a postdoc Supercool Stuff may well trump Terrific Person, but absolutely not in grad school.
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