While graduation from a PhD program is the culmination of your graduate schooling, it often doesn’t mark the end of your graduate research. Because of the foot-dragging nature of science, students often graduate while some or all of their papers are not yet published. There may be some loose ends hanging--control experiments not yet done, n to be added--or even some significant results to finish up--an experiment the thesis committee suggests, a follow-up to one of the implications of the thesis. Not to mention the review your advisor says you should really write as soon as those papers are out.
Writing a paper for submission to a journal (as opposed to writing it up for your thesis committee) can easily take a couple of extra months, depending on your writing ability, your advisor’s feedback, and your inner ability to glue your fanny to a chair for as long as it takes.
Finally, of course, even once the paper is sent out, there is a month or two delay while reviewers review, and then the dreaded reviewer experimental suggestions. Carrying out reviewer experiments, or arguing persuasively against the need for those experiments, can occupy another couple of months.
And let’s not even talk about what happens if you’re rejected and have to repeat these steps at one, or heaven forfend, two or three or four more journals.
All of which is to say: when should a graduate student take the leap to a postdoc or other job?
If you leave as soon as the experiments are (in theory) finished, you will spend the first six months or year at your new job trying to write a paper over email with your advisor.
If you wait until the paper(s) is(are) submitted, you are in better shape, until the reviewers come back with four experiments you absolutely need to do to publish. Then you must make your apologies to your new supervisor and return to GradLab for weeks or even months. Not a fun thing to do as you’re trying to impress a new boss, and to immerse yourself in some new experiments. Alternatively, you will share authorship with whatever grad student ties up your loose ends.
If you wait until the paper comes back from review, you have dealt with it as necessary, and resubmitted, you are in the best shape to leave; however, by this stage you are likely so tired of GradLab that you may have killed your advisor. (A fellow grad student and I once posted this article prominently in lab.) But more importantly, there is the opportunity cost of waiting this long--could you have been making some headway in a new lab? There is also the personal cost--often after 5+ years a grad student is burnt out, tired of GradLab, and can only revive her interest in science by going somewhere new. And don’t get me started on the two-body problem.
I am currently luxuriating in the excitement of a new lab that is geographically close (but scientifically distant) to my GradLab, so I can go back to do Grad experiments on weekends or occasional off days, but meanwhile reignite my brain with the new perspectives and ideas of PostdocLab. However, it is only a matter of time til Dr Hyde and I move somewhere new….and I’ll be hit with this problem all over again.
15 years ago
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Ugh...I can relate. I finished my experiments and defended my dissertation in the summer of 2005, and moved across the country for a postdoc. I still needed to submit two papers. My advisor and I corresponded over email, with a new postdoc trying a few new experiments to flesh out the paper a bit. After several rewrites (did we want to write a full paper, or just a communication followed by a full paper with more experiments from the new postdoc?) we submitted in late spring 2006, and got rejected. Then the new postdoc had problems making some of the materials, which stretched the timeline even further. And then my grad advisor got pregnant, and the baby came a few weeks early, thus halting progress on submitting the rewrite. The papers were finally published fall 2007, after I freaked out that the "new" postdoc who was tying up loose ends was going to leave for a job, thus stranding my papers again. There is some talk about another extended paper (said 'new' postdoc is still there), but I'm not holding my breath.
In the meantime, I have finally gotten an industry job halfway back across the country. My postdoc research was unfortunately not that productive, and I'm not sure any papers will come out of it. The new job, however, is back in my graduate area of study, and I'm crossing my fingers that the next job (whenever it comes) will care only about my industry experience.
Oh, I am so feeling this right now...
(and coincidentally am also a Sarah)
I stayed 6 months after I graduated, ostensibly working on my own paper but effectively doing experiments for a postdoc's paper... finally took a postdoc myself because my adviser decided not to pay me anymore, and as an international student I couldn't stay in the US without a job/visa... Moved overseas, working on a new project as a postdoc, and getting minimal communication from my old adviser, except for third party updates from a grad student working on some follow-up experiments. When I have time to work on the paper, my adviser doesn't, when I don't, she wants it last week. Ugh.
Good luck with your dilemma. I'm hoping to have my paper submitted by June.
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